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Monday 12 May 2014

1st Post of Ukraine - Eastern Ukraine - Peace Proposals


I am interceding to Ukraine to let Donetsk and Luhansk to be independent.  Let them self rule for these people of Eastern Ukraine.  They want historical justice, and although the referendums may be illegal. These people needs to be part of Russia for now, in order to avoid more bloodshed, and stop the civil war. 

I do believe the results of the referendums must be implemented, and must cater to the "will of the people and how they want things to happen".  I agree with Vladimir Putin.

We must avoid a full scale civil war.  

Russia may step in to protect Russian people at all costs if Eastern Ukraine are not left alone, and we do not want that to happen. 

Ukraine, please leave them alone until you can organise a proper referendum.  In order to do so, we need to know God's will about a matter of urgency whether you should unite or not.  

Ukraine's economy is not good, and there are other matters that needs to be resolved regarding governance, and it's capability to run the country.

Updated 15th May 2014


This is where I come in as Mediator and Peacemaker as both sides are refusing to co-operate.


I am asking Ukraine, please withdraw all Ukrainian troops immediately.  The Russian people do not want their presence at all.  They do not want military intervention from Russia, and would accept Peacekeepers.


You have provoked the Russians, and caused division and disorder. Damage has been done. That is because they do not want Ukraine to be part of the European Union, and do not want any involvement with the European Union.


Ukraine has the most highest population of Russians than Ukrainians and other ethnic minorities.


Ukraine became independent after the breakup of the Soviet Union so therefore the Russian language should always have been the first language, and Ukrainian the second language.


Russians need democracy, and do not want Ukrainians to govern over them.


There will be peace if you leave them alone to self rule and the Ukrainian government will have no responsibility for looking after the Eastern Ukraine.


Eastern Ukraine has a right to a share of IMF and must be given it.


Any Russians elected in the local elections can, and will contribute to help run the Eastern Ukraine.


Failure to do what is needed to keep the peace will have repercussions and consequences.


Economy is failing - 26th August 2014
Russian President Vladimir Putin said today, "The crisis in Ukraine could not be solved by a further military escalation or without dialogue with representatives of the country's Russian-speaking eastern regions.  We are convinced that today, (the Ukraine crisis) cannot be solved by further escalation of the military scenario, without taking into account vital interests of the south-eastern regions of the country and without a peaceful dialogue with its representatives. 

The Russian economy could suffer a loss of some 100 billion roubles ($2.77 billion) if European Union goods reach Russia via Ukraine, bypassing the tariffs Russia levies on EU goods".
The Russia and the EU's economy is hurting, and not doing any good.
Two thousand lives have been lost in the Russian/Ukraine war and it is about time that the two leaders are now having talks to resolve the crisis.  It is so sad that it has come to this, before realising that the war cannot solve anything without talks.

Putting the record straight

They called for a ceasefire linked to the proper management of borders, the importance of ensuring that humanitarian support reached people in the proper manner in full line with international law, and of course the political process.

The EU, along with the US, has imposed sanctions on Russia for failing to rein in the separatists.

EU and US should never have imposed sanctions on Russia in the first place, because the rebels and separatists obtained arms from UK.  Russia had not played a part in supplying arms. 

It is a lie and a very serious accusation against Russia by EU and US, and should not have been punished by imposing sanctions.

Ukraine made it a lot worse by getting involved with fighting the rebels and separatists which lead to so many civilian deaths. 

I remember the time myself, and a lot of people were voicing objections to Ukraine fighting the rebels and separatists on "Daily Politics Show Facebook".  

Russia would not go to war with anyone, and is not even a threat to any country at all as claimed by US.

You only have to ask the rebels and the separatists where they got the arms from. I take it back if it has been confirmed that the arms did come from Russia.  I do not believe Russia would give weapons to them. It is not like Russia at all.

It shows that EU has got a severe lack of judgement and common sense.

Russia did the right thing annexing Crimea as the people did not want to be part of Ukraine following the corruption scandal and very poor economy.  All the MPs of Crimea wanted to move to Russia to make sure they get paid, and the people be safe, and be looked after.

Russia is buying weapons from UK to help Syria defend itself.


Outrageously, the UK’s still selling weapons to both Russia and Israel -- but now’s our best chance of stopping it. Right now, David Cameron’s under intense pressure from his own MPs to suspend all arms licenses to both the Russian and Israeli governments - a senior Tory minister just quit over the government’s “morally indefensible” Gaza policy, the deputy PM’s publicly backed an Israeli arms embargo, and a parliamentary committee’s forced a review of the UK’s £132m worth of Russian arms licences.


This is our moment to stop UK firms profiting from terror and chaos - but the Ministry of Defence is notoriously protective of Britain's £35bn arms industry, so we need a huge wave of public pressure to supercharge the calls on the PM. Let’s leave David Cameron no choice but to stop the sale of weapons that murder innocent families. UK is profiting from murder.

http://news.sky.com/story/1305860/govt-accused-of-russian-arms-double-standards


28th August 2014


News are saying Russian forces have invaded south of Eastern Ukraine showing support for it against Putin's wishes. There are now fears that Russians will extend to all over Ukraine in no time at all.  It would have been better to annex Eastern Ukraine to stop the war escalating and avoid any more bloodshed.


Russians are determined to have an EU free state and make Eastern Ukraine belong to Russia whatever the cost in the fight for freedom against the ailing Ukrainian government.


EU and US have underestimated Russian civilians.


29th August 2014


It seems there were false reports about the Russian troops being in Eastern Ukraine.  Even the satellite image of tanks by NATO moving does not prove it is the Russian tanks, and I have seen no evidence on seeing the Russian troops fighting on ground.  They do not wish to fight against their fellow Russians anyway. Some of the Ukrainian troops tried to defect to Russia for not wanting to fight against their fellow country men, and was so tired of fighting against them.


I have only seen evidence that Ukrainian troops have been infighting with the rebels and separatists.  Some were captured, and they offered to withdraw if released on the request of President Putin.


Ukrainian troops must leave the Eastern Ukraine to leave the rebels and separatists alone to allow the infighting to be more controlled.  We cannot have the Ukrainian troops making their war so difficult and unmanageable. It is up to the Ukrainian government to withdraw their own troops and begin talks.


It is wrong of the Ukrainian government to refuse aid on humanitarian grounds to feed the people of Eastern Ukraine because of borders dispute which is really trivial.


http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2014-08-29/russias-putin-calls-for-release-of-ukrainian-pows


Anders Fogh Rasmussen said "This is a blatant violation of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Rasmussen said. "It defies all diplomatic efforts for a peaceful solution."


It is all very well saying that Anders Rasmussen.  EU violated the Russian and Ukrainian rights to make Ukraine part of the European Union without consulting them and without a referendum. 

Because of that violation the Russian and Ukrainian had no choice but to high jack Eastern Ukraine violating Ukraine's sovereignty and and territorial integrity.  


People must come first before a country in trouble, and remember Anders Rasmussen we have human rights, and it is a crime against humanity what Ukraine has done.  


Anders Rasmussen, in case of exceptional circumstances when citizens are denied the right to be consulted and have a referendum, should be included in the Geneva Convention.


As far as I am concerned it is a violation of International Law not to put people first, before country regarding consultation and referendum.


https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/rasmussen-russia-in-blatant-violation-of-ukraines-sovereignty-and-territorial-integrity-362587.html

He should be sacked for telling lies about Russia and not providing adequate proof.  Where is the proof?


http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/140829/putin-says-ukraine-must-enter-substantial-talks-rebels


The link says Putin is saying Ukraine must enter substantial talks with rebels.


http://barentsobserver.com/en/arctic/2014/08/putin-russia-must-strengthen-position-arctic-29-08


Russia wants to strengthen position in the arctic to defend itself, and would comply with International Law to do so and submitting a report/article to the UN.

30th August 2014


The Americans embarked on a covert military policy in Afghanistan. The CIA funnelled arms to mujahadeen fighters based in Pakistan – including brigades financed by the young Saudi businessman Osama bin Laden – who harried the Soviet forces. The Americans are freely giving arms to the  Free Syrian Army, and now the UN Peacekeeping forces are in trouble with the Free Syrian Army held in Golan Heights.


The Americans are already arming the Ukrainian government.  Putin has got no intention to destabilise Ukraine.


Putin is trying to defuse the situation of the war in Ukraine.  He strongly denied any accusations that he has been arming and deploying troops etc. 


What one does not realise is that, no one bothers to check markings on tanks except for one press who confirms there are no markings. No one bothers to collect evidence that there are deployment of Russian troops, and that would be very difficult as we never know the location. No one bothers to check facts that Russia supply arms as the weapons seized from the Ukrainian troops may well have been recycled. No one bothers to check what weaponry the rebels are using.


UK Government sources said they believed the separatists now had an array of heavy weaponry supplied by President Vladimir Putin, including 100 battle tanks, 100 artillery pieces, anti-tank weapons and missile launchers.


Well then, can someone please check the facts before someone is accusing Russia of any wrongdoing?



It is so very unacceptable for EU and the West to try and put pressure on Russia with all the empty rhetoric. EU members are at a meeting in Brussels to try and impose additional EU sanctions that would aim at inflicting more economic pain in hopes of changing what is viewed as Russian meddling in Ukraine. This is outrageous, imposing sanctions does not prevent any war..

I do not see anyone will want to impose sanctions on Europe, it is a ridiculous move and so very unfair and unjust that Europe will escape to have any sanctions now and in the future.


Russia urges the Ukrainian parties and Western partners to show goodwill towards solving problems exclusively by peaceful means, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Friday.

“This is the only way whether the West really advocates the interests of obedient Ukrainian politicians, the Ukrainian multinational people and the Ukrainian state, the future of which can and should be ensured by searching for nationwide accord.  When we hear fabrications about 

Russia’s aggression and incursions by troops and armored vehicles are put forward in discussions on the Ukrainian crisis, several serious questions inevitably arise.  Why those who insist on immediately convening a session of the UN Security Council consistently blocked our proposals to discuss the origin of the Ukrainian tragedy and work out a joint decision to meet the interests of the Ukrainian people and not to implement any unilateral geopolitical plans? 


Why our partners in the UN Security Council, the OSCE and other international forums consistently refuse to condemn air and artillery strikes on cities and settlements that destroy residential areas, schools, kindergartens, Orthodox churches and kill civilians?  

In any other conflict whether it be in the Middle East, Africa or anywhere else, the West steadily comes against actions that cause damage to civilians and demands to stop them. But it pursues an opposite policy in violation of the norms of international humanitarian law in south-eastern Ukraine.

Russia will consistently do its best to create conditions for resolving the crisis in negotiations through strengthening confidence-building measures between the conflicting parties and taking concrete measures to deescalate the situation and assist civilians.

Moscow also urged the Ukrainian authorities to stop exterminating their own people", the Foreign Ministry said.

South-eastern regions of Ukraine have been gripped by violence and continuing fighting between militias and government troops for several months, with thousands of people fleeing their homes to other regions and neighboring Russia, and hundreds killed and injured.

The Foreign Ministry welcomed the fact that human rights observers “have urged Kiev to stop the fighting and violence in the east of the country immediately”.

“Unfortunately, this happened after thousands of civilians were killed… but we hope that the Ukrainian authorities will follow this recommendation, and will stop systematically exterminating their own people,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said.

Moscow blames Kiev and countries behind it for putting interests above humanity.
I say it  is imperative that the rebels and separatists have talks with Ukraine.  We cannot tolerate Ukraine poisoning the minds of the West.  Talks must take place between these parties.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward NATO expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.


Countries are now thinking of offering their services to bolster Ukraine, and increase defence. Most of the people all over with world is viewing NATO with horror, as it will only make the Ukraine war worse.  Most people would like to see NATO abolished.  It does not make sense to have NATO or Ukraine involved as it is a civil war.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-claims-thousands-of-russian-troops-invaded-offers-no-evidence/5398463


Global research link proves that Ukraine can offer no evidence, and explains fully why Ukraine and other countries cannot offer evidence.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-29/eu-to-mull-russia-sanctions-as-ukraine-s-army-pushed-back.html


This link explains EU thinking about Russia sanctions and UK wants SWIFT banking stopped. EU cannot contemplate imposing any more sanctions, and taking measures to SWIFT banking. 


EU is already violating the International Law committing crime against humanity in Russia depriving them of a lot of things by the present sanctions against Russia. These sanctions must be lifted without delay as Russia cannot survive properly with imposed sanctions placed on them. Russia has done nothing wrong.


EU and US are anti-Russia because they both want Ukraine to stay in the EU, and they both know they have a lot to lose if Ukraine is not part of EU.  In the Bloomberg news, it is not clear what foreign troops are doing in Ukraine now and whether they are from EU.


31st August 2014


Brussels. Slovakia said it might veto new EU sanctions against Russia, Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico said after the EU summit on Sunday.


“I believe that the sanctions will become senseless and counter-productive. Slovakia may use its right of veto,” Fico said, explaining Slovakia would use its right of veto if it decided that the new anti-Russian sanctions would undermine its economic growth.


The Slovak prime minister said there was no point in imposing new sanctions until the EU knew the results of the previously adopted penalties.


Robert Fico has got the good sense to think about its right to veto, and hope the other countries will follow suit.  Iran recently had sanctions imposed on by US because of nuclear which is ridiculous.  A lot of countries have got nuclear and Iran is entititled to it.  Shows US is Iranianphobia as well as Russianphobia.


http://rt.com/news/182812-russian-soldiers-detained-border/


Videos and explaination why 12 Russian soldiers got lost and crossed the border by mistake.


It also happens with Ukrainian soldiers getting lost sometimes.


http://rt.com/news/183308-russian-volunteers-ukraine-fighting/


This link by RT confirms only Russian volunteers are fighting to save their blood brothers, prevent infrastructure being damaged, to prevent loss of utilities etc.



Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury, has criticized the European Union's newly proposed sanctions on Russia over the crisis in Ukraine, calling the 28 member-state bloc a US “puppet.”

“It’s really up to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin what happens. It’s not up to the EU. The EU is a puppet state of the United States. They’re being hurt by the sanctions that Washington has forced Europeans to impose on Russia,” he said in an interview with Press TV.

“The main hurt is only Europeans, not Russians.

“The whole question is whether the people in Washington [are] trying to control Russia or going to lose their European Empire. That’s the question before the world, will Europe sacrifice itself in order to serve American pressure against Russia, Craig Roberts explained. “I doubt it. I don’t think that’s possible. The government, the leaders might, but not the people.”

“The German people, I don’t think will stand for this when they see all the hurt coming to Germany because the idiot in Washington is trying to hurt Russia. It’s not going to happen, so what we are about to witness in my view is a collapse of American power,” he continued. 

On Sunday, European Council President Herman Van Rompuy said the bloc's heads of state tasked their executive body to urgently" prepare tougher economic sanctions that could be adopted within a week. EU "stands ready to take further significant steps in light of the evolution of the situation on the ground. Everybody is fully aware that we have to act quickly."

The United States and the European Union have already imposed asset freezes and travel bans on senior Russian officials.

It is very true that the main hurt is the Europeans, and the European Union will eventually collapse due to unpopularity as well as bad regulations and reforms.  The United Nations will eventually have to stand up to them, and say that the European Union is wrong on some counts, and should think of the people, and not commit crimes against humanity for the whole world.

We really must think about having a referendum as soon as possible to let the Russian and Ukrainian people have their rights whether they want to be part of European Union or not.  It should help to stop the war.

I predict that if the war is going to go on, it will be a small matter of time before people have had a enough and vote to be part of Russia without the referendum.

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2014/08/31/putin-to-ukraine-begin-immediate-talks-on-east

President Putin is asking today for talks about statehood.  He did say previously that he is not interested in breaking up Ukraine, and have anything to do with it except, give support to people to have what they decide to do. If the people of Ukraine wants statehood in New Russia and they want independence, it has Putin's blessing. If the people wants statehood in Ukraine and want independence, Putin will give blessing. It is up to the people of Ukraine what they want to do with their country like voting for being in EU, or vote to be in Ukraine.


1st September 2014


Imposing sanctions are complicating the crisis. Australia has followed suit in imposing sanctions against Russia. 


The new Australian sanctions will ban arms exports to Russia, prohibit Russian state-owned banks further access to the Australian capital market and ban oil and gas exports to Russia, Australia’s prime minister announced today. 


The sanctions are a response to Russia “deliberately and now openly violating Ukrainian sovereignty.


Australia will not invest in the Russia-annexed Crimean peninsula and will further target financial sanctions and travel bans against specific individuals,” Abbott said.


Australia’s sanctions will affect 63 Russian and Ukrainian individuals as well as 21 organizations and businesses.
Monday’s sanctions are a response to the European Union’s warning on further sanctions against Russia over Ukraine. Abbott confirmed that Australia’s sanctions were coordinated with the United States, Canada and Europe.
In July the European Union and the United States imposed economic sanctions, targeting Russia’s defence, energy and banking sectors. In August, Russia responded by introducing a one-year ban on food imports from the European Union, the United States, Canada, Australia and Norway.
Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has insisted there will be no Russian military intervention in eastern Ukraine, and said peace talks must focus on an immediate ceasefire.

Ukrainian and Russian officials are due to hold talks with separatist rebels and international monitors in Minsk.

The talks in the Belarusian capital will bring together representatives of Russia, Ukraine, the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) security forum and separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine.

Russia should not be alone to be in talks without the presence of the negotiators, and cannot stop the fighting. It is up to the rebels and separatists as well as Ukrainian troops to withdraw, not to commit crime against humanity.

All these sanctions imposed by countries counting in Australia, United States, and Europe is a threat to the world, and is threatening Russia. The scales of economy have tipped, stalled or going too slowly.

We all can do without arms and the world would love it, if all countries did impose sanction to ban arms to each other all over the world.  It would mean "arms free".  Wish that would happen but not likely.

Imposing sanctions poses a very great threat and causes great concern.  If you try and deprive of one country of imports and exports, the result is quite disastrous like the Russians for example.  It does not only affect the Russians alone, and they probably do not care.  

The other countries should care because a lot of foreign investment is in utilities, industries, businesses, companies and organisations etc.  They rely on each other in one country. Foreign Investments are in each every country. Without these foreign investments, one may as well be self sufficient, and is not going to let the economy grow.

For example if Australia is not going to let Russia have gas and oil which Russia probably can live without. But it is affecting the gas and oil companies as well as Australia.  Selling to Russia brings the Australians profits. Australia cannot make any money without selling. 

So if there is no gas or oil to sell, the companies, industries, businesses and organisations suffer all around the world.  One company would say we have no gas so we cannot work, and one part of the economy start stalling. If you have no paper, one part of the economy start stalling. There is then, no growth driver. There is no hub and no wheel to turn. And less money in the banks for the banks as well as less money for the people.

The present state of the economy is going to be precarious to say the least.  The world's economic situation will eventually collapse.  Those who suffer the most are the countries who imposed sanctions in the first place not Russia.

It is not fair to blame all the foreign companies, industries, businesses and organisations around the world for a war that has nothing to do with them.  They make a living and sell goods to people, for people who need them .  

Imposing sanctions does not stop the war and is killing off the world's economy. 

Imposing sanctions is a crime against humanity.

Democracy will not tolerate such threats of imposing sanctions, and is a useless tool to try and punish.  It is a wrong move, and is a primitive thing to do. It is senseless, insensitive, and counter- productive.

2nd September 2014

"Russia is to alter its military doctrine as a result of the Ukraine crisis and Nato's presence in eastern Europe", a top Russian official says.

There were no details on how the doctrine might change.
Mikhail Popov, a Kremlin adviser, said that deteriorating relations with the US and Nato would be reflected in the updated military strategy..

Mr Popov, deputy secretary of Russia's National Security Council, told Russia's RIA news agency that "the military infrastructure of Nato member states" was "getting closer to [Russian] borders, including via enlargement".

Nato's actions were one of the key "external threats" to Russia, he said.

"Nato's planned action is evidence of the desire of US and Nato leaders to continue their policy of aggravating tensions with Russia", Mr Popov said.

Nato announced its plans on Monday for a rapid response force of several thousand troops to protect eastern European members against possible Russian aggression.

The force, to be made up of troops provided by member states on a rotating basis, would be able to be deployed within 48 hours, Nato secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen said.

Military equipment and supplies would be pre-positioned in member states in the east so the force could "travel light, but strike hard if needed", he added.

Mr Rasmussen said that the plans would not breach the 1997 Nato-Russia Founding Act, which forbids the presence of permanent bases in eastern and central Europe.

The new measures are set to be approved at a Nato summit in Wales this week.

The Nato security alliance covers 28 member states, including eastern European countries such as Poland and the Czech Republic. It does not include Ukraine.

Crisis talks between Ukraine officials, rebels and Russian envoys ended without agreement on Monday. It was a suprise really, as there were options of voting for independence, being part of Ukraine or part of Russia.

Ukraine's army has been forced to retreat amid a series of gains by pro-Russian rebels in both the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, and further south around the port of Mariupol.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has accused Russia of "direct, overt aggression against Ukraine". Poroshenko has been repeatedly saying that, so he can poison countries's minds against Russia.  He is trying not to take the blame for letting Ukrainian troops fight and take part in the civil war.

Russia has repeatedly denied Ukrainian and Western accusations that it is providing troops and equipment to the rebels.

Russian President Vladimir Putin had commented: "If I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks". He means that if Russia wants to be at war with Ukraine, he would have done it differently, and would not have a long war.

US is likened to Nazi SS, and have been causing conflicts around the world.

No Military solution

The UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, has warned western powers "there is no military solution" to the Ukraine crisis, after the government in Kiev accused Russia of launching a "great war".

As Nato prepares to upgrade its combat readiness in eastern Europe, Ban said he was greatly concerned at developments in Ukraine and wanted to avoid further deterioration to "a very chaotic and dangerous situation".

"I know the European Union, the Americans and most of the western countries are discussing very seriously among themselves how to handle this matter," he told reporters on Tuesday during a visit to New Zealand.

"What is important at this time is that they should know there is no military solution in this. There should be a political dialogue for a political solution, that is the more sustainable way," Ban said.

His comments came after European-mediated talks on the fast-escalating crisis opened on Monday behind closed doors in the Belarusian capital, Minsk, attended by Ukraine government, separatist and Russian envoys.

The rebels have launched a major counter-offensive in recent days that the Ukrainian government and its western allies claim is backed by Russian forces – a charge Moscow denies.

The “war party” in Kiev needs to be brought to reason, and the United States is the only one able to do so, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Tuesday.
“Right now the main goal is the necessity to bring the ‘war party’ in Kiev to reason and only one who can actually do this is the US. Washington has a huge influence on Ukraine’s military authorities, and there are lots of facts [to back this up],” Lavrov said during a live televised joint press conference with Tunisian Foreign Minister Mongi Hamdi.
Lavrov said that it is necessary “to use the influence and as a whole the abilities of the US to send the necessary signals to change from attempts to solve the situation by using military means to a political process.”
Since mid-April, the Ukrainian government has been conducting a military operation in eastern Ukraine, attempting to suppress independence supporters who refused to acknowledge the newly instated authorities following a February 22 coup.
Thousands of civilians have suffered as a result of the ongoing conflict, with more than 2,500 people killed and over 6,000 injured.
Heavy clashes and shelling by the Ukrainian Army have led to a humanitarian crisis in the area, with water, food and power shortages.
The United States has backed the actions of the new Ukrainian government, and accused Russia in escalating the situation in the country’s southeast.
Moscow has repeatedly said that it is not involved in Ukraine’s internal conflict, calling for an immediate stop to the bloodshed, and has stressed that the crisis can only be resolved through peaceful dialogue.
I agree with Ban Ki Moon saying that there is no military solution, that there should be a political dialogue for a political solution.  I agree with Lavrov when he said that US is the only influence not to use military means but to a political process.

3rd September 2014
A pro-Russia rebel leader in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine said on Wednesday the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from "our territory" was the main condition for peace in the separatist-held area.
Vladimir Antyufeyev, deputy prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, told Reuters by telephone that talk of a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine was a "provocation" because Russia was not a party to the conflict.
"A ceasefire is always good but our main condition still stands - to withdraw Ukrainian troops from our territory. That's the only reasonable way," he said.
Pull back of the Ukrainian troops is the key to peace.
Russia and Ukraine spoke to each other to talk about permanent ceasefire.  Russia says that they like to see it, and witness on paper the confirmation of a permanent ceasefire between rebels, separatists and the Ukrainian government.

Commenting on the phone call with the Ukrainian president earlier on Wednesday, Putin stressed that their “views on ways to resolve the conflict are aligned. Kiev must withdraw troops from southeastern regions of Ukraine and rebels must stop offensive to stop bloodshed", Russia’s President Vladimir Putin says. 

He and Ukrainian leader Petro Poroshenko discussed "a ceasefire regime."

President Putin has outlined a seven-point plan to stabilize the situation in the crisis-torn east of Ukraine.

“On my way here from [the city of] Blagoveschensk to Ulan-Bator [Mongolia], I outlined some ideas and plan of actions. It’s here, but in handwriting,” Putin told reporters.

1. Militias should cease military advances in the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.
2. Pro-Kiev armed forces should withdraw to a distance that excludes the possibility of shelling settlements.
3. Implement full and objective international control over ceasefire observation and monitoring.
4. Exclude the use of combat aircraft against civilians and villages.
5. Prisoner/captive-exchange via an ‘all-in-all’ formula, without preconditions.
6. Humanitarian corridors for refugees movement and delivery of humanitarian aid across Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.
7. Direct repair-crew access to destroyed social and transit infrastructure with supportive aid.
Putin expressed hope that final agreements between Kiev and militia in south eastern Ukraine could be reached and secured at the coming meeting of the so-called contact group on September 5.
“I hope the leaders of Ukraine will support the anticipated progress in bilateral relations,” Russia’s president said.
He called on Ukraine to take an active part in the work of the contact group “for a final and comprehensive settlement of the situation in the southeastern Ukraine, of course, with full and unconditional assurance of the legitimate rights of the people who live there.”

Peace Plan rejected

President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday unveiled a seven-point plan for peace in Ukraine which he said could be approved by rival sides in the conflict during talks scheduled for Friday.

"In order to halt bloodletting, and stabilize the situation in south eastern Ukraine" Putin called on both Kiev and pro-Russian separatists to quickly agree to implement his roadmap.

The roadmap also calls for a withdrawal by Ukrainian forces to positions from which they cannot shell cities, and a halt to airstrikes by Kiev's military.

The blueprint also calls for deploying international observers to monitor a ceasefire, the unconditional release of all prisoners, the establishment of corridors for refugees and humanitarian aid, and the dispatch of aid to rebuild infrastructure in Donetsk and Lugansk, which have been the brunt of intense fighting.

"I believe that a final agreement between the authorities of Kiev and southeastern Ukraine can be reached and cemented during a meeting of the Contact Group on September 5," said Putin.

The Ukraine Contact Group, which includes representatives of Kiev, the separatist rebels, Moscow and the OSCE is scheduled to meet on Friday.

Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk on Wednesday rejected a ceasefire plan, proposed by Putin as an attempt to deceive the West about Moscow's real intentions. "This latest plan is another attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the international community ahead of the NATO summit and an attempt to avert the EU's inevitable decision to unleash a new wave of sanctions against Russia," he said in a statement.

Peskov was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying that "the heads of state exchanged opinions about what needs to be done first in order to bring an end to the bloodletting in the southeast of the country as soon as possible."

"The views of the presidents of the two countries about possible ways out of this difficult crisis overlap to a considerable degree," said Peskov.
Russia and Ukraine have made progress voicing their grievances, but they must work together and plan together.  

What the Ukrainian Prime Minister said is that he is complaining there is no clarification of the construction for real border infrastructure. That is something they both have to plan how to improve security on the borders. That could be included in the seven point plan making it an eight point plan.  The real intention is to have peace.

Putin is saying in a seven point plan to the dispatch of aid to rebuild infrastructure in Donetsk and Lugansk, which have been the brunt of intense fighting. He meant airport, and whatever has been destroyed to be rebuilt

Ukraine cannot just blast their way to victory by firing guns, and being in a conflict. One has got to have permanent ceasefire, and the first step is for Ukrainian troops to withdraw from the civil war. Being in a war is not a military solution and will go nowhere.

I am asking Ukraine to see common sense and be sensible, and not feel any animosity towards Russia. The world knows you are trying to pit NATO and EU against Russia.  We are not fools, It is you that are trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. Please be reasonable to stop being hateful, and avoid bloodletting. The UN has already accuses you of war crimes against humanity and abuses. You are abusing the world by anti-russian sayings.

If you do not want to work with President Putin to achieve peace, then listen to me when I said there is nothing wrong with the seven point peace plan, and agree to it for the sake of the world. The war is affecting all of us.  I do sincerely hope you will reach an agreement by Friday.

Initiatives of some political forces in Kiev concerning Ukraine’s drive to join NATO seems as attempts to ‘derail’ the peace process in Russia’s embattled neighboring Ukraine, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Thursday.

According to the Russian minister it was not coincidental that calls for Ukraine’s non-ally NATO status were voiced after the Russian and Ukrainian presidents held talks on the possible ways to resolve the conflict and after a session of the Contact Group was held in the Belarusian capital of Minsk.

“This is an obvious attempt to derail all efforts to initiate a dialogue aimed at providing national security,” Lavrov said during his meeting with Secretary General of the Council of Europe Thorbjorn.

“I am positive that until we refuse attempts to eternalize separating lines in Europe, until we seriously start dealing in practice with the principle of security inseparability in its all dimensions, in other words until we systematically resolve problems of the all-European nature, we will keep encountering from time to time situations similar to the crisis in Ukraine,” the top Russian diplomat added.

http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/politics/59612.html

This link gives information that Ukraine wants to build a wall which could take six months.  We have no problem with that. Rebels and Separatists needs to be briefed in a meeting about this to make sure there are no misunderstandings. 


5th September 2014


The Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) said representatives of Kiev and pro-Russian rebels agreed to declare a ceasefire on Friday.


Representatives of the warring parties have signed a protocol declaring ceasefire at 1500 GMT on Friday, Heidi Tagliavini, an OSCE representative at talks in Minsk told reporters. 
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko confirmed on his Twitter account that a peace plan had been signed, while pro-Russian rebels also announced the news on the social media site.

The two sides, meeting in Belarusian capital Minsk, agreed to stop firing at 15:00 GMT. 


However, the rebels said the truce had not changed their policy of advocating separation from Ukraine.

They said the deal was due to come into force at 4pm UK time.

"Human life is the highest value and we must do everything possible, and impossible to end the bloodshed and the suffering," said the Ukrainian President.

He also said one of the terms of the ceasefire is the release of Ukrainian hostages in the next 24 hours

Separately, Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said in a televised cabinet meeting in Kiev that the peace plan must include three key elements - a ceasefire, the withdrawal of "Russian forces and Russian bandits and terrorists" and the restoration of Ukraine's state border with Russia.

This is much better, and shows Ukrainian Prime Minister is working, and planning the peace process by including the three key elements to Putin's six point plan except there are no Russian forces.  That was a very good progress to peace.

However, Ukrainian President is really hypocritical when he said "human life is the highest value and we must do everything possible, and impossible to end the bloodshed and the suffering".  

If he really thought that, why did he not stop the war immediately?  Why did he not stop all this bloodshed?  It is a bit too rich coming from the Ukrainian President who started the war and then want peace.  Sounds like he saw common sense.

Both sides agreed to stop fighting, and the OSCE said it would monitor the ceasefire.

President Petro Poroshenko said the ceasefire was based on a 12-point peace plan that included the release of "hostages", which he said would probably happen on Saturday.

"It is very important that this ceasefire lasts long, and during this ceasefire we continue the political dialogue to bring peace and stability," he said.

It is the start of a constructive political process, and it is a breakthrough that all sides are co-operating to get the truce we all need.

From Hungary
Speaker László Kövér on Wednesday described the conflict in Ukraine as a manipulated process, in which Ukrainians have the smallest role.
The aim of this “circus” is to separate Russia from Europe, he said in answer to questions from participants in the international Freedom Express, which visited Parliament.
While it is important that Hungary has joined NATO – as that protects Hungary against Russian imperial aspirations – and while he understands the fears of Poland and the Baltic States, Russia also has legitimate security needs, Kövér remarked.
“Who is the American or European politician who asked Ukrainians what they want?” he asked rhetorically, adding that Putin held a referendum when Russia occupied Crimea.

7th September 2014

http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/42861-140907-explosions-heard-on-outskirts-of-ukraine-s-mariupol

This is such a very big blow and a very big disappointment.  What really happened was that rockets were fired, and we are not sure where they came from.  


There have been conflicting accounts in newspaper reports.  The way I see it is that, Ukraine was making an attempt to take over areas to get it back.  


And that the rebels and separatists are defending themselves, and trying to protect infrastructure including one of the airports.


The rebels and separatists were probably trying to overtake Mariupol, and intending to have a long term ceasefire after that.


It has led to forgetting the ceasefire. I cannot say both sides are to blame.


In one of the newspaper reports, residents of Mariupol would like peace, and some say they would like to have Mariupol annexed.  


The first step is to try, and let the residents have their wishes to avoid a war that could drag on for a long time.


http://rt.com/news/185700-lugansk-donetsk-special-status/


Full details in the OSCE report about the 12 point plan, decentralisation, special status and early elections.


This agreement points to Ukraine in trying to break the agreement, and breaking the ceasefire.  Ukraine does not seem to want to abide by the agreement.


http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/nato-countries-are-delivering-arms-to-ukraine-defense-minister-says/507031.html


16th September 2014


Ukraine's parliament has passed two bills on granting greater autonomy to the rebellious regions in the east as well as amnesty for most of those involved in the fighting that gripped the region since April.

DONETSK, Ukraine — Ukraine's parliament has passed two bills on granting greater autonomy to the rebellious regions in the east as well as amnesty for most of those involved in the fighting that gripped the region since April.

The Tuesday vote in a closed session comes on the same day that parliament planned to ratify a trade deal with the European Union. That deal is the issue that sparked Ukraine's crisis last year when demonstrations broke out to protest then-President Viktor Yanukovych's shelving of the deal.

Legislation on more autonomy for the east is part of a shaky peace process. A cease-fire was called on Sept. 5, but violations have been frequent. 

17th September 2014

Top rebel leader Andrei Purgin said that the separatist leadership was not willing to allow Donetsk and Luhansk to remain part of Ukraine. Pro-Russian rebels rejected Ukrainian legislation meant to end the unrest by granting self-rule to large swathes of the east.

Since a ceasefire imposed on September 5, the fighting in Donetsk has been primarily limited to the north of the city, where many residential neighbourhoods have been caught in the crossfire of battles centred on the government-controlled airport.
The ceasefire has been much violated from the start and civilian casualties have continued to rise, adding to the estimated 3,000 people killed since fighting started in April.
On Tuesday, the Ukrainian parliament took a step to resolve the crisis by passing laws that would grant greater autonomy to rebel-held parts of the east, as well as amnesty for many of the separatists, a major concession to both Moscow and the rebels.
"We perceive this as a document in which we can find certain points to start a dialogue," Purgin said. "But there is a red line we cannot cross: we do not accept any political unions ... with Ukraine. No federative, no unitary structure."
The laws passed by the Ukrainian parliament call for three years of self-rule in parts of eastern Ukraine and for local elections in December. They grant concessions that were not previously offered by the Ukrainian side, such as local oversight of court, and prosecutor appointments, and local control of police.
But Purgin insisted that the rebel leadership would settle only on full independence from Ukraine.
"We are unable to join the Russian Federation directly, so we will build our own country," he said.
Purgin's comments, echoed by other leaders on Wednesday, could undermine peace talks that are under way in the Belarusian capital of Minsk between Ukraine, Russia and the Russia-backed rebels.
The comments are also in striking contrast to the Russian foreign ministry's positive reaction to the legislation, which it called a "step in the right direction".
The legislation "creates the foundation for launching a substantive constitutional process in Ukraine, including the start of a dialogue intended to help national reconciliation and accord in the country", the ministry said in a statement.
Rebels have always wanted to have independence of Eastern Ukraine, and are determined to have it.
Ukrainian government is prolonging the war by not making Eastern Ukraine independent that the rebels asked for from the very beginning.
Ukraine has committed a very grave war crime by not letting Eastern Ukraine have a referendum to have it made independent in the first place.
A lot of bloodshed would have been avoided.
If a referendum resulted in a no independent state, then Ukraine would grant a greater autonomy, not the other way round.
It is the will of the people who decide, not the government.
Anyone would expect war to happen, if there are no elections or referendum as it is not a democratic process.  It is not a substantive constitutional process.

21st September 2014

As part of a compromise to end the hostilities, the Ukrainian parliament this week passed a law giving a broad autonomy to the areas controlled by the rebels, including the power to hold local elections and form their own police force.
Alexander Zakharchenko, the leader of rebels in Donetsk, said after the talks that Ukraine and the rebels have conflicting interpretations of the law, and the talks should continue.
The memorandum signed after hours of talks that dragged late into last night says that the conflicting parties should stay strictly where they were yesterday, and make no attempts to advance.

Negotiators in Ukrainian peace talks agreed to create a buffer zone to separate government troops and pro-Russian militants.

Leonid Kuchma, a former Ukrainian president who represented the Kiev government in the talks, spoke about buffer zone.
Under the terms of the deal, reached in the Belarusian capital, Minsk, each party must pull its artillery at least nine miles back, setting up a buffer zone that would be 19 miles)wide.
The longer-range artillery systems are to be pulled even farther back to make sure the parties cannot reach one another.
The deal also specifically bans flights by combat aircraft over the area of conflict and setting up new minefields.
"It should offer the population a chance to feel secure," said Igor Plotnitskyi, the leader of rebels in the Luhansk region.
The rebels are located near the cities of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine and also halfway to the city of Mariupol south of there on the coast, but their positions outside of these cities are not clear.
Ukrainian government forces are at the airport in Donetsk but the location of their lines outside of that city is also unclear.
The memorandum also envisages the withdrawal of "all foreign armed units and weapons, as well as militants and mercenaries" - a diplomatic reference to Russians fighting alongside the rebels.

The deal also included withdrawing heavy weapons and foreign fighters in order to ensure a stable truce in eastern Ukraine, and was reached by representatives of Ukraine, Russia, the Moscow-backed rebels and the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE).
It marks an effort to add substance to a ceasefire agreement that was signed on September 5 but has been frequently broken by clashes.
The deal is a historic moment towards the path of peace, and talks are still ongoing to resolve more problems that could arise, or have arisen during the peace talks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29473617